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Personal Hatred : The Blunt Truth
2003-12-26 19:32:11 (UTC)

Real Revelations

Kevin says:
I don't understand myself
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
? What do you mean?
Kevin says:
I don't understand myself
Kevin says:
I just...
Kevin says:
I just don't get it
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
well, lets try to then. what's confusing you. anything in
particular?
Kevin says:
I just don't get my actions
Kevin says:
The thing that I want to do, I don't do
Kevin says:
and I do what I hate
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
what do you want to do?
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
c'mon...honesty time
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
heh
Kevin says:
I want to stop sinning
Kevin says:
but I can't
Kevin says:
I hate doing it
Kevin says:
but I do it anyway
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
it's impossible to not sin every once in awhile
Kevin says:
I know... I just do it too much
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
just try to watch for it. teenage years are a tough time,
you learn, try new things...it's hard to keep track. just
do your best to balance everything out...keep the bad from
getting heaviest, if you get what i mean
Kevin says:
It's too overwhelming though
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
I'm not sure how to say this...just...live life as you go,
don't worry about the little things, try to be a generally
good person, DON'T NIT-PICK AT EVERY MISTAKE YOU MAKE, I
know too many people who do that, it doesn't help your
situation. just try to be a good person.
Kevin says:
this isn't nit picking
Kevin says:
I really want to cut some of this stuff out of my life
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
everyone's allowed to make mistakes, Jesus died to pay for
them, so just try and be a good person. That's all he asks.
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
i didnt say you were nit-picking, im just saying dont
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
what else do you want to cut out?
Kevin says:
I lie too much
Kevin says:
I curse too much
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
you've already cut out people
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
cursing...is that even in the bible? i haven't seen it
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
i think thats just society deeming things as whats right
and wrong
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
no offense, but they're just words. I do, however, see what
you mean. I've felt the same
Kevin says:
The bible says that the mouth is the gateway to the heart
and to let bad things come out of the mouth is to let bad
things into the heart
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
hmm
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
have you ever heard this song? i dunno the name, but it
just popped into my head: "Life's a dance, you learn as you
go. Sometimes you lead, sometimes you follow. Don't
worry 'bout what you don't know...Life's a dance, you learn
as you go"
Kevin says:
no
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
meh...it's country...guess you wouldn't know
it...anyways...all I can tell you is, do something to try
and stop yourself from cussing. It's hard. I know (believe
me) I've tried various things, like substituting other
words (then I relaized it's still like cussing, even if I
say spatula instead of F***)
Kevin says:
check this out
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
I've tried the rubber band aid, where i wear a rubber band
as a bracelet and snap it hard everytime i cussed (which
also didn't work because I found I enjoy pain...and don't
tell anyone that. it's my mental problem.)
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
what out?
Kevin says:
15I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do
not do, but what I hate I do. 16And if I do what I do not
want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17As it is, it is
no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me.
18I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my
sinful nature.[3] For I have the desire to do what is good,
but I cannot carry it out.
Kevin says:
19For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil
I do not want to do--this I keep on doing. 20Now if I do
what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but
it is sin living in me that does it.

¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
i've also tried to just watch what i say, which is working
so far. think about what you say before you say it. if
cussing isn't needed, don't say it
Kevin says:
Romans 7: 15
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
that not right in my head
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
it sounds like he'
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
s blaming (satin) for his actions
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
*satan
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
or "sin"
Kevin says:
you don't exactly understand
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
i do, but can interpret in more than one way. that's just
one way i interpreted it and i thought i'd let you know.
don't always assume. it makes an ass of u and me
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
^^Assume= ass of u and me...haha, get it?
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
sorry...bad joke
Kevin says:
he's saying more that his sinful nature is not him, he
himself desires good, but his sinful nature (created by
Satan) keeps him from achieving his goals...
Kevin says:
and his sinful nature does not really come from him
Kevin says:
but it is his choice to let it endure
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
hmm
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
i see
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
but, God created us, did he not?
Kevin says:
I thought you were a buddhist?
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
eh...nah...I cannot believe in something that I cannot
fully believe in
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
if that makes ANY sense...
Kevin says:
so what are you?
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
first off, does it really matter? secondly, I believe I'm a
little bit of everything...I research religions
vigorisly..I find it interesting to learn as much as I can,
that way I can learn for myself...if that makes any sense
too...
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
*vigorisly (sp?)
Kevin says:
brb
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
humans are meant to sin, it says that somewhere, i remember
reading it, and to sin is like...a test. I mean, if God
wanted us to be perfect, why did he put the tree with the
apples that gave you the knowledge between right and wrong
in the garden of Eden? (That in itself is odd, because
telling Adam and Eve not to eat the apples was saying it's
wrong to eat them.) If God had wanted us to be
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
perfect, then he wouldn't have done that. Think of it as a
test. If you have sinned, and are truley sorry for it, he
will forgive you. Your sins do not make who you are, your
thoughts of your sins do. (Did that make sense?) Everyday,
you go through a test, to prove to God that you are worthy
to be with him in his kingdom. The best thing to do would
be to not worry so much and to just..."learn as
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
"you go".
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
to sum it up, nobody's perfect, just try to be the best you
can. If you are rtuley sorry for your sins, you will be
forgiven.
Kevin says:
First off... It does matter. Your faith can determine
everything about your life.
Kevin says:
Secondly you're greatly decieved
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
your faith is not you
Kevin says:
hang on
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
okay
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
go ahead
Kevin says:
Humans are not meant to sin. When Lucifer rebelled against
god and Adam and Eve ate the apple sin was realeased. Sin
was not part of God. Sin is not God. Sin = Evil God = Holy,
and any part of evil on holy makes it not holy, because
holy itself is free of sin. Satan devised sin. So God did
make us with the intention to sin. God does not test us
with sin, nor does he tempt us. Don't reply...
Kevin says:
let me finish
Kevin says:
That's all Satan's work. God does not tempt us because
that's evil and once again God cannot be evil. He allows
this temptation to happen to us because he wants us to have
free will. He did not create us to be puppets and only do
what he makes us do... he wanted us to have choice.
Therefore it was Eve's choice to eat the apple. There's more
Kevin says:
He allowed it to happen because he didn't want to turn Eve
into a puppet. God realizes that we're "only human" and he
gives us redemption from our sins.
Kevin says:
and there's more
Kevin says:
On the subject of being worthy of Heaven... Nobody is
worthy of Heaven has no evil either. So to work a way up a
ladder and say "I haven't sinned all day" is great but
there's no ladder because once you sin, you're not worthy.
So God gives us forgiveness and clears the sin away. So
when we sin, it's gone if we ask. So we can enter Heaven
sinless. But nobody is worthy of Heaven on their own.
Kevin says:
it takes divine intervention.
Kevin says:
and there's more.
Kevin says:
God agrees that you should try to be the best you are, but
you can't buy your way into Heaven by being good. Because
like I said everyone sins. So he says be your best and do
my will, but I realize that you are going to mess up and
I'll forgive you if you ask. But there is no way to get to
me but by Jesus. So like I said, God does not tempt, nor
create or administer sin....
Kevin says:
and there's nothing to prove to him... so that's why we
just try to be our best, and then when we fail we ask for
forgiveness
Kevin says:
but my issue is that I know I am doing wrong but I still do
it... and I know I can get rid of it
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
did you even read what i said? half of what you just said
was practically the same!
Kevin says:
when it comes to the Bible practically can be completely
different
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
well most of it was the same...everyone tends to interpret
the bible differently
Kevin says:
well, interpretation and assumptions are two different
things
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
uuugh
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
you know what i mean!
Kevin says:
I know what you mean, but I'm saying that a lot of that
information was completely inaccurate
Kevin says:
and was probably something you picked up from somewhere
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
how do you know you's is right
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
*yours
Kevin says:
If I had to I could back it up with textual evidence
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
fine
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
whatever...you're right...as usual. you're always right
Kevin says:
I'm not just trying to beat you in some game, or prove
something, I'm just trying to give you the truth
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
i know you're not trying to beat me in some game, but you
always act like your right, on everything. YOU'RE ALWAYS
RIGHT! this is why i can't talk to you about religion,
especially religion, because you "know you're right". you
may no intend for it to seem that way Kevin, but you do.
I'm sorry, I know you don't mean to.
Kevin says:
I'm not trying to be right!
Kevin says:
that's not what it's about!
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
of course not, you're " just trying to give you the truth
"
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
bah...just trying to give the truth
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
what is it about then??
Kevin says:
It's about me wanting to save you from going to Hell
Kevin says:
it's about me caring for you damn it
Kevin says:
jeez
Kevin says:
I'm never afraid to admit I'm wrong
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
the truth is the correct thing...being correct is being
right...i have no problem with you trying to save me, but
damnit i don't need to be saved! Can't you get into heaven
with faith and good works?
Kevin says:
no
Kevin says:
that's what I just said
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
what else do you need to get in?
Kevin says:
You need to believe in Jesus, that he died for us and that
you can't get into Heaven by good works
Kevin says:
you need to believe that you aren't worthy of God, but
Jesus can make you
Kevin says:
Good works don't get you into heaven
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
I'm sorry, but that just seems wrong to me. I love you, and
I'd like to be able to believ like you do and see you in
heaven, but it just doesn't seem right to me. The way you
all say it...I just can't except it. Many christians are
insecure with their religion, I'm...not. I'm secure with
what I believe now, and I know, in my heart, that if by
being the best that I can won't get me into heaven,
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
then I don't deserve to
Kevin says:
You do be your best
Kevin says:
but you still aren't there
Kevin says:
because God is the ultimate no sin
Kevin says:
There is no sin in God or in the presence of God
Kevin says:
and he forgives that sin
Kevin says:
and then you have no sin
Kevin says:
and then you can go to heaven
Kevin says:
but without that forgiveness
Kevin says:
you've still got sin on your back
Kevin says:
and then you can't get in
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
I want to say I'm happier when I don't talk to you...but I
know that's not true. I'd rather live with knowledge than
with ignorance. Talking to you helps me...sort things out,
ya' know? Thank-you.
Kevin says:
you're welcome
Kevin says:
I only have the best intentions in mind
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
i know
Kevin says:
I'm not trying to be smarter, because I know there are
plenty of people who could outdo me anyday
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
i...i know...but you have to admit...you DO tend to give
that impression...I'm sorry for everything I said. Ireally
didn't intend to offend, or insult, or hurt. (by hurt, i
mean hurt you, if I did at all.)(( And don't say nothiing
hurts you either, cuz that's so not true. I know people who
say that, and that irritates me beyond belief, because it's
not true.))
Kevin says:
it hurt me, yes. But I don't think that was really you
talking.
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
and who do you think it was? I controll me actions Kev, I
could've stopped myself, but I chose not to. It's my fault.
Kevin says:
Of course it's your fault
Kevin says:
heh
Kevin says:
but the thing is...
Kevin says:
You let yourself believe those things
Kevin says:
choice
Kevin says:
and so by your choices, however they may have been, you've
come to believe something that isn't the truth, and have
grasped it so near that it seems almost wrong to abandon it
Kevin says:
can I say that the choices you made favored the devil? I
could, or could I say that they led you here, where you
could get the truth? I could say that too
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
so, if you live life, with the best intentions, and are the
nicest, sweetest person in the world, yet you don't believe
in God, you don't get into heaven?
What about Jews? They believe in God. I know some, and
they're the sweetest people, yet they denied that Christ
was the son of God. What'll happen to them?
Kevin says:
They go to hell
Kevin says:
It's a sad thing
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
aw
Kevin says:
that so many people will go to hell
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
but...
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
thats so wrong
Kevin says:
But that's why there are missionaries
Kevin says:
The Jews turned their back on God a long time ago
Kevin says:
when they chose not to believe him then they get what they
deserve
Kevin says:
I mean, it's sad that there will be those who never even
realize it, but are just Jews because they are
Kevin says:
it's really sad that a lot of people are going to Hell...
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
what about the Jews now-a-days? They're born into the
religion...they don't know
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
yeah
Kevin says:
but the only thing we can do is spread to those who we can
reach
Kevin says:
that's why we have missionaries all over the world
Kevin says:
any country and there's missionaries there
Kevin says:
people who are willing to step up and really go all out for
spreading
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
but i don't like pushing what i believe onto others. i hate
doing that. i only tell them if they ask. if they want to
know. i can't push it.
Kevin says:
He doesn't look at us as if we were in a caste system
Kevin says:
he looks at us by wether we believe or not
Kevin says:
and then everyone is equal
Kevin says:
so, if Hitler asked Jesus for forgiveness... he could very
well be in Heaven right now
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
hitler persicuted those who didn't believe in Christ, he
thought that what he was doing was right (not that i
support him)
Kevin says:
and if Gandhi or Martin Luther King Jr., who being great
people did not accept, they could be on a spit in Hell
roasing at 450 degrees until golden brown
Kevin says:
Hitler was also on drugs
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
heheh
Kevin says:
Hitler was an evil person
Kevin says:
but if he asks
Kevin says:
he can get it too
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
whoa
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
martin luther king jr didnt believe?
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
i thought his father was a minister
Kevin says:
Luke 13:1-5:
1 There were present at that season some that told him of
the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their
sacrifices.
2 And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these
Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because
they suffered such things?
3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all
likewise perish.
Kevin says:
I have no idea, it was just an example
¥ BoBBe ¥ says:
oh...okay
Kevin says:
4 Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell,
and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all
men that dwelt in Jerusalem?
5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all
likewise perish.


Kevin says:
understand it?




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