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Ezoic
2003-05-29 06:23:03 (UTC)

corrupting....

Just a conversation.This is what happens when people
debate religion with me....if its not obvious, I Love
Golden Grahams.....

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first day of CCC says:
God is our Father
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and he is a better father then any earthly father
love those golden grahams.... says:
well, that can be argued....I'd say they are equal seeing
as our earthly father's could be considered His gift to us.
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but he created them and they are sinful people because
they are humans and they can make mistakes and God doesnt
make any mistakes
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well, seeing as he created us and therefore created our
mistakes....
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no he created us with free wills and we are the ones who
make mistakes
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but he created everything, thus creating all the choices
and therefore creating our possible mistakes.
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God is God and he can not make any mistakes
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he doesn't MAKE mistakes, per se, but he created the mfor
us to make
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he did not creat anthing evil he created good and the
devil took that good and perverted is and it bacame sin
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and our mistakes are sin and they are a perversion of the
perfect truth
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yes, but did God not create the devil?
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God created him as an angel who also had free choice
love those golden grahams.... says:
but, imagine serving God for years, and then watching him
create this race of people, and seeing him favour
them....I'd be a little annoyed to. I'm not saying Lucifer
was right in anything he did, but I can kind of see where
he was coming from....its like the older child who gets
jealous when a younger sibling comes around
My team won the first day of CCC says:
the devil was the devil befroe the world was created
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that depends on which branch of Christianity you belong too
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not really because all christians who read and believe the
bible should know that
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but the definition of a Christian is someone who believe
in that Christ existed as the son of God, therefore there
are many branches, orthodox and unorthodox, who have
slightly varying belief systems, some of which believe
that Lucifer fell after the creation of Adam and Eve out
of anger and jelousy of everything they were given that he
wasn't
My team won the first day of CCC says:
then how did the devil tempt eve when they were in the
garden?
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if he was created after how did he tempt her
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he was created befreo her, fell while she was in the
garden, and then tempted her....or some believe that the
serpent was a test from God to see if Eve would obey him
My team won the first day of CCC says:
God doesnt tempt people
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he gives us choices
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as I sais SOME believe that, not all
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not many
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ya
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i dont believ that at all from what i have read and
studies
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I helped my mom write her papers for her Masters of
Divnity in Theology
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what religion is this?
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She is Roman Catholic, as was the College she went to, but
she was required to study the beliefs of every religion;
Paganism, Judaism, Buddhism. I can't remember which
believed in that particular theory
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there are some pritty screwed up religions out ther
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it was a lesser known unorthodox christian group
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wow
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I wouldn't call any religion screwed up....so long as they
don't harm anyone, I think people should believe what they
want
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I tyhink people should believe what they want because they
have free choice
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but I also belive that they should heqar the truth
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What if God created all religions knowing that not
everyone would believe the same thing, and so long as you
believe SOMETHING he'll save you?
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ok what if i believe that Jesus was just a prophet and
that he cant save people
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cuz there are religions that believe that
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then perhaps you are right....there are scientific studies
going on trying to determine the answer to a psychics
theory: if you believe something enough, than it is true.
My team won the first day of CCC says:
or what if I am a satanist then I believe something and i
am not going to be saved
love those golden grahams.... says:
but the word "satanist" is misunderstood; it comes from a
east-indian language and means "chaos" Satanists do not
believe that Satan or God exist. They believe that we
basicall created ourselves, and we are inherantly evil
because of greed. they are essentially anarchists, only
religious not political
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so perhaps that idea was created by God knowing that
someone would believe that, and they will still be saved
My team won the first day of CCC says:
but they still through not believing in anything they
still are believing something
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exactly....and by that, if God created all religions, will
be saved.
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God did not creat "religion"
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he created truth and some religions are a perversion of
the truth
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but, what if he knew that since he gave humans free will,
they might not all believe the same thing, so he created
other religions in order to insure that they would all be
saved?
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I dont think that he created other religions at all
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he created people and people thought up things that became
religion
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I admit some of it is devine revilation but some of it
also came from the human mind
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but seeing as he created everything, didn't he then have
to be the one to give us those thoughts?
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I personally believe that all creativity we have must have
come from the one who created us.
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but He gave perfect thoughs is him and satan perverted them
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but he created Lucifer
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he also created other angels that didnt fall
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Perhaps He meant Lucifer to fall because he wanted to give
huams something else to believe in knowing that they would
not all believe the same thing because He gave them free
will.
My team won the first day of CCC says:
God never ment for things to get perverted
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but what I am saying is perhaps he created those
perversions because he knew that with free will, it was
not likely that all humas would believe the same thing, so
he gave them more choices that would still save them.
My team won the first day of CCC says:
God doesnt want us to sin so why would he creat sin?
My team won the first day of CCC says:
His plan for us was not that we would fall away from him
in the garden but that we would have fellowship with Him
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He wanted to spend time with us not to have us far away
from him
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He created free will, which is the equivilent of sin, and
therfore gave us a way to save ourselves when we do sin.
My team won the first day of CCC says:
how is free will equivalent to sin
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sin is Satan's perversion of the right choice
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because if there was no free will, love of God would be
obligatory and thus meaningless
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He gave us the choice of what to do with our lives...steal
or not, kill or not...and made those things
possible....murder would not be possible if we were
created like superman or set to live to an exact age or
had better protected internal organs, and since he created
us, AND Satan, He therefore by giving us free will created
sin
My team won the first day of CCC says:
God does not force us to serve him or that would make mih
not more then a dictator he loved us enough that he did
not want to dictate us bu8t have is in fellowship with him
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but, if I am right and he did create all religions, then
perhaps he is in a way dictating us
My team won the first day of CCC says:
God created the world out of love. He wanted a
relationship with his creation (people). In order for that
relationship to be meaningful, people had to choose it.
God did not create sin. Sin was the choice of (first)
Satan and (second) Mankind.
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but he created us and Satan
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Plus, Jesus told us to accept other's and their beliefs.
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when did he say that?
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He was the one to befriend whores and beggars, and he
would never turn someone of other lifestyles or beliefs
away
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you're not to accept them, you're to respect themand you
have every right to defend your own beliefs
love those golden grahams.... says:
sorry, accept wasn't the right word....tolerate
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I have never heard of jesus tolerating anyone
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He loved people he came to the earth for the people who
were sick not for the people who were well
love those golden grahams.... says:
but defend only applies to when someone tries to force
you into beliebing there religion
My team won the first day of CCC says:
he came to beggars and prostitutes and sinners becase he
loved them and wanted to save them
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he also came fro the other people too
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he also said "Go and sin no more."
a whore wouldn't get into Heaven without Jesus.
neither would a pharisee or a Hindu or any other person.
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However, if God created those other beliefs, than the
yWOULD get into heaven, because they believe in him
without knowing it
My team won the first day of CCC says:
God may have created some b3elifs but alot of them have
been perverted by the devil, when they get to gheaven will
Jesus say to the, I never knew you ?
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no, because seeing as God also created the Devil, and
vicariously Satan's perversions, then Jesus does know
them, just in a different context than Christianity
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God created the Devil good
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He does not know them in a way that will get them saved
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but what if he intended for Lucifer to fall so he could
use Him as a way to gather more believers?
My team won the first day of CCC says:
if what you are saying is true then you just have to
believe something and continue sinning and then you will
go to heaven
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you do not have to accept jesus into your gheart and you
do not have to follow him
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and you will stuill be saved as long as 7you believ e in
some thing
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But in a way you are; you just don't know it because you
are accepting him through a different medium.
My team won the first day of CCC says:
there was no need for believers in the guarden becuase God
was there with them
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but because of sin they were cast out
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How does god gather more believers through casting them
out of his presence?
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we would all be saved if we were in the garden
love those golden grahams.... says:
when you think about it, all religions are very similar;
Pagans believe there God was born on Yule, Buddha
meditated alot, as did Jesus.......He gathers more
believers by giving people of different mindsets something
to believe
My team won the first day of CCC says:
we wouldnt die if we were in the garden
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and we would already be with God in the garden
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the meditation that jesus did and that budists do is very
different
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but we would also have no knowledge of anything else....we
didn't know hate, so we would not truly comprehend God's
love, we wouldn't know Evil, so we would understand how
good He really is
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Yes we would because we would know Him
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Both meditated to clear there minds for a higher level of
understanding. the only difference was that Jesus was
talking to someone when He did it
My team won the first day of CCC says:
we would Know the True Gad and we would see his loving
nature every day when we walk with him in the garden
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Jesus didnt need understanding
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His was 100%human and 100%God
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but we would know nothing else.....its like saying that a
blind man knows what sunlight is, or someone born without
legs understands the feeling of walking throw warm sand
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Jesus needed to communicate with His father
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ya because he was human
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He communicated With God bacause he was a man
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he was not sinful untill he was in the gethsemane
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that is when the cup was given to him
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But i have to go.... sorry
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I have alot to do tommorow
love those golden grahams.... says:
but still, the Garden didn't allow us to truly appreciate
the greatness of God, so God wanted us to understand
exactly how wonderfull he was by letting us out of the
Garden~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Merry Christmas
Phi


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