Jencaero

Hippobabe05 (8:08:20 PM): hello..

Hippobabe05 (8:08:20 PM): hello jason
Hippobabe05 (8:09:12 PM): estas aqui?
Blue00009 (8:09:30 PM): hola
Hippobabe05 (8:09:41 PM): como estas?
Blue00009 (8:09:41 PM): hola
Blue00009 (8:10:43 PM): yo estoy... yo no se
Hippobabe05 (8:10:56 PM): porque?
Hippobabe05 (8:11:05 PM): why dontchya know?
Blue00009 (8:12:08 PM): because i''m not sure what i'm
feeling
Hippobabe05 (8:13:11 PM): oh
Hippobabe05 (8:13:16 PM): hmmm
Blue00009 (8:13:17 PM): and what about you?

how do you feel?
Hippobabe05 (8:13:21 PM): wish i could help more with that
Hippobabe05 (8:13:29 PM): i feel not-alive
Hippobabe05 (8:13:31 PM): lol
Blue00009 (8:14:09 PM): i, understand
Blue00009 (8:14:09 PM): i talked to maddy today after
school for a while
Blue00009 (8:14:22 PM): i never talked to her all that
much before.
Hippobabe05 (8:14:30 PM): hmmmm
Blue00009 (8:14:33 PM): it's kind of surprising because
she's very easy to talk to
Hippobabe05 (8:14:37 PM): yeah
Hippobabe05 (8:14:41 PM): shes really nice
Hippobabe05 (8:14:45 PM): i dont talk to her much though
Blue00009 (8:14:54 PM): awww
Hippobabe05 (8:14:58 PM): oh well
Blue00009 (8:15:03 PM): well
Blue00009 (8:15:29 PM): she's supposedly having an anti-
homecoming party
Blue00009 (8:15:33 PM): and aren't you going?
Hippobabe05 (8:15:55 PM): hahaha she is having it then?
Hippobabe05 (8:15:57 PM): i dont know
Hippobabe05 (8:16:01 PM): i havent heard about it since
then
Hippobabe05 (8:16:13 PM): since a few weeks ago
Blue00009 (8:16:28 PM): i might go, i might not
Blue00009 (8:16:28 PM): i dunno
Hippobabe05 (8:16:29 PM): seems i havent gotten a chance
to really talk to either of them (mary/maddie)
Hippobabe05 (8:16:38 PM): a lot of people are expecting me
to go to homecoming
Hippobabe05 (8:16:40 PM): :-
Hippobabe05 (8:16:46 PM): i dunno
Blue00009 (8:16:48 PM): like who?
Hippobabe05 (8:16:51 PM): its interesting thought though
Blue00009 (8:16:53 PM): tell me more
Hippobabe05 (8:16:58 PM): just my friends awe you dont
wanna know
Blue00009 (8:17:01 PM): yeah
Blue00009 (8:17:18 PM): i want to knmow if you want to
tell me
Hippobabe05 (8:17:29 PM): lol
Hippobabe05 (8:17:49 PM): just people jason
Hippobabe05 (8:18:10 PM): people people people... that i
interact with
Blue00009 (8:18:14 PM): it doesn't even matter does it?
Hippobabe05 (8:18:23 PM): what doesnt?
Blue00009 (8:18:27 PM): why do they want you to go?
Blue00009 (8:18:37 PM): what does?
Hippobabe05 (8:18:45 PM): hahaha
Hippobabe05 (8:18:50 PM): they want me to go because
Hippobabe05 (8:18:55 PM): they like spending time with me
i suppose
Blue00009 (8:19:00 PM): oh
Blue00009 (8:19:05 PM): ok
Hippobabe05 (8:19:05 PM): or maybe want to have me in
their memories of tha ti have no idea
Hippobabe05 (8:19:08 PM): jason
Hippobabe05 (8:19:14 PM): it doesnt matter but then again
it does
Blue00009 (8:19:15 PM): that would make a lot of sense
Hippobabe05 (8:19:22 PM): just like school doesnt matter
and then again it does
Hippobabe05 (8:19:31 PM): or life
Hippobabe05 (8:19:32 PM): i dunno
Blue00009 (8:19:38 PM): only until it's over
Hippobabe05 (8:20:18 PM): well if i know its going to end
for good forever
Hippobabe05 (8:20:22 PM): if i really believe that
Hippobabe05 (8:20:36 PM): i bet id do something considered
crazy by todays standards
Blue00009 (8:20:58 PM): well, you have to think about how
you will feel before it's over
Hippobabe05 (8:21:02 PM): because living i know this is
sad, maybe my motives arent in the right place
living would be nothing if it would end just like that
Hippobabe05 (8:21:05 PM): but when its over its over
Hippobabe05 (8:21:09 PM): and it will have never mattered
how i felt
Blue00009 (8:21:31 PM): true.
Blue00009 (8:21:37 PM): oh well
Hippobabe05 (8:21:41 PM): yeah
Hippobabe05 (8:21:44 PM): dismiss it with an oh well
Blue00009 (8:21:45 PM): i still feel strange
Hippobabe05 (8:21:51 PM): have any idea why?
Hippobabe05 (8:21:55 PM): or do you not want to talka bout
it
Blue00009 (8:22:24 PM): i have an idea or two, but i don't
really want to talk about it
Blue00009 (8:22:34 PM): sigh
Hippobabe05 (8:22:44 PM): okey dokes
Hippobabe05 (8:22:56 PM): well if its a bad thing, im
sorry that you have to go through it
Hippobabe05 (8:23:23 PM): but so
Hippobabe05 (8:23:26 PM): hmmmmmmmmmmmm
Hippobabe05 (8:23:32 PM): do you still watch cowboy bebop?
Blue00009 (8:23:45 PM): si
Hippobabe05 (8:24:10 PM): sweetish
Hippobabe05 (8:24:24 PM): my cousin was telling me how he
is into anime now
Hippobabe05 (8:24:42 PM): and how he watches coyboy bebop
Blue00009 (8:30:24 PM): i don't really feel like saying
much at the moment
Blue00009 (8:30:48 PM): does mary still like me
Blue00009 (8:30:49 PM): ?
Hippobabe05 (8:31:16 PM): well
Hippobabe05 (8:31:23 PM): i think shes more of into being
friends now
Blue00009 (8:31:37 PM): ok
Hippobabe05 (8:31:38 PM): i mean thats what it comes
across as to me
Hippobabe05 (8:31:39 PM): but im not sure
Hippobabe05 (8:31:48 PM): why?
Hippobabe05 (8:31:54 PM): do you like anyone....
Blue00009 (8:32:09 PM): i'm not sure
Hippobabe05 (8:32:43 PM): mmmm
Hippobabe05 (8:33:51 PM): do you think true happiness and
true love exist?
Blue00009 (8:33:57 PM): do you like anyone?
Hippobabe05 (8:34:04 PM): me well
Hippobabe05 (8:34:07 PM): i thought i used to but
Hippobabe05 (8:34:09 PM): that was a while ago
Hippobabe05 (8:34:16 PM): haha and now i just dont know
Hippobabe05 (8:34:20 PM): i confuse myself
Blue00009 (8:34:43 PM): happiness is determined by the
innate as well as the enviromement we are raised in which
effect our views on life more that any choice that we make.
Blue00009 (8:34:56 PM): we don't really get to choose to
be happy
Blue00009 (8:34:56 PM): but some people are happy
Blue00009 (8:35:11 PM): and some people do have ideal love
Hippobabe05 (8:35:45 PM): but what constitutes as "true"
happiness?
Blue00009 (8:36:31 PM): true happiness
Blue00009 (8:36:31 PM): what is meant by true
Blue00009 (8:36:31 PM): certainly not constant happiness
Blue00009 (8:36:33 PM): as that's impossible
Blue00009 (8:36:50 PM): but satisfaction with living is
happiness
Blue00009 (8:36:57 PM): and it lasts
Hippobabe05 (8:37:26 PM): mmmm but do you think we could
be truly happy as well as truly sad at the same time?
Blue00009 (8:37:40 PM): no
Blue00009 (8:37:47 PM): they contradict eachother
Blue00009 (8:37:52 PM): or
Blue00009 (8:37:57 PM): lemme think
Hippobabe05 (8:38:16 PM): lol
Blue00009 (8:39:04 PM): well, there could be a lot of
depressing things happening to an otherwise happy person
or a lot of good things happening to an otherwise
depressed person, but the outlook on life of the people
would still be what it was although it has the potential
to change.

Hippobabe05 (8:39:57 PM): yes but we couldnt have both you
think
Hippobabe05 (8:40:17 PM): we could only have one and have
things happen to us of the other nature
Hippobabe05 (8:40:50 PM): however not both simultaneously?
Blue00009 (8:42:30 PM): i guess you could
Hippobabe05 (8:43:48 PM): *sigh* what does it matter
Hippobabe05 (8:43:50 PM): we die anyways
Blue00009 (8:44:21 PM): eventually
Blue00009 (8:45:06 PM): i guess, if we were to be unhappy
enough to find life not worth living, scuicide would be
acceptable.
Hippobabe05 (8:45:28 PM): i dont know
Hippobabe05 (8:45:41 PM): i think if the person believes
it is acceptable then they could be excused
Hippobabe05 (8:46:26 PM): of whatever society believes of
them at least the person holds true to his(her) beliefs
Blue00009 (8:46:28 PM): if a person wants to die, it is
that persons life. the outside world should have no say on
the life of another individual as it is not their life.
Hippobabe05 (8:46:37 PM): hmm but
Hippobabe05 (8:46:43 PM): at the same time in a sense
Hippobabe05 (8:46:53 PM): it is their responsibility to
care for a fellow creatoure
Hippobabe05 (8:46:54 PM): *creature
Blue00009 (8:48:12 PM): the responsibility to care for
another doesn't give them power over that person's life.
just as taking another's life is wrong, preventing tehm
from ending it is just as wrong and can be doubly as cruel.
Blue00009 (8:48:48 PM): oh well
Blue00009 (8:49:11 PM): i think a family member just came
home
Blue00009 (8:49:19 PM): oh well
Hippobabe05 (8:49:51 PM): hmmmm
Hippobabe05 (8:49:53 PM): well jason
Hippobabe05 (8:49:57 PM): i dont know how cruel it is or
not
Hippobabe05 (8:50:04 PM): because its hard to take
everything into consideration
Hippobabe05 (8:50:15 PM): and have that completely
objective perspective
Blue00009 (8:50:23 PM): of course
Hippobabe05 (8:50:34 PM): perhaps though at least asking
them to
Blue00009 (8:50:35 PM): the individual might not eally
want to
Hippobabe05 (8:50:44 PM): re-evaluate their intentions and
beliefs
Hippobabe05 (8:50:48 PM): would be acceptable
Blue00009 (8:50:51 PM): however, it is still their decision
Hippobabe05 (8:51:27 PM): well yes but
Hippobabe05 (8:51:30 PM): it is always their decision
Hippobabe05 (8:51:38 PM): but certian things can influence
it
Hippobabe05 (8:51:50 PM): although i suppose that if you
stuck them in a straightjacket
Hippobabe05 (8:52:02 PM): or seomthing it would be harder
for them to actually carry out suicide
Blue00009 (8:52:02 PM): yes, like their environment from
birth which shapes all of us
Hippobabe05 (8:52:09 PM): yes it doess
Blue00009 (8:53:13 PM): if you stuck them in a straight
jacket, you have imprisoned them and taken the
individual's contor ofer his/her life in a forceful
manner. society has no right.
Hippobabe05 (8:53:20 PM): yes but
Hippobabe05 (8:53:21 PM): they can
Hippobabe05 (8:53:32 PM): people have no right for a lot
of things
Hippobabe05 (8:53:40 PM): but they still carry them out
Hippobabe05 (8:54:24 PM): i mean, unprovoked i would have
no right to go over to someone and say, hit them
Blue00009 (8:54:25 PM): well, if they have no right to,
then it must be wrong.
Hippobabe05 (8:54:32 PM): but i still could...
Blue00009 (8:54:33 PM): si
Blue00009 (8:54:36 PM): si
Hippobabe05 (8:54:37 PM): well if in their mind
Hippobabe05 (8:54:40 PM): its right
Hippobabe05 (8:54:47 PM): then to them it cant be
considered too horrible now can it
Hippobabe05 (8:54:53 PM): because each person has a
different standard
Hippobabe05 (8:55:05 PM): influenced by as you said
envoirnment and whatnot
Hippobabe05 (8:56:01 PM): perhaps it was wrong
Hippobabe05 (8:56:14 PM): but maybe the person himself
doesnt deserve to be labeled as ""bad"
Hippobabe05 (8:56:20 PM): if the heart was in the right
place
Blue00009 (8:56:57 PM): the person who does it doesn't do
anything wrong with his life although they may leave some
responsibilities behind.
Hippobabe05 (8:57:40 PM): but with logic you could say
that because the person commits wrong actions
Hippobabe05 (8:57:45 PM): the person himself would be wrong
Hippobabe05 (8:57:49 PM): if you disregarded his intent
Blue00009 (8:58:14 PM): other than the possibility of
leaving those dependent on you destitiute, or in pain,
there isn't any wrong as it is your own life. no one
shoud consider a person who commists scuicide as bad
becaue they weren't in that person's whoes.
Blue00009 (8:58:30 PM): what wrong action?
Hippobabe05 (8:58:54 PM): the action that they had no
right to commit
Hippobabe05 (8:59:01 PM): est as wrong
Hippobabe05 (8:59:26 PM): but suicide itsself
Hippobabe05 (8:59:28 PM): isnt a pretty thing
Hippobabe05 (8:59:33 PM): manytimes
Blue00009 (8:59:36 PM): the action they have no right to
as in taking a person's controll over his/her life
Hippobabe05 (8:59:45 PM): and many times it does leave
others with
Hippobabe05 (8:59:53 PM): voids and unhappiness and
emotional turmoil
Blue00009 (8:59:58 PM): it may be pretty to some as beauty
is subjective
Hippobabe05 (9:00:06 PM): true
Hippobabe05 (9:00:44 PM): but just because a person
attempts to influence someone
Hippobabe05 (9:00:47 PM): doesnt mean theyre taking contorl
Hippobabe05 (9:00:50 PM): *control
Blue00009 (9:01:15 PM): however, if a person is in a
situation wehre life isn't worht living, that person's
pain is enough to justify (i hate that word *justify) the
pain of the people left behind
Hippobabe05 (9:01:22 PM): because ultamitely the decision
in most cases is for the person who is contemplating
suicide not for his friends to make
Hippobabe05 (9:01:28 PM): well who is to justify what
Hippobabe05 (9:01:40 PM): and if you put self before
others
Hippobabe05 (9:01:45 PM): which makes perfect sense
Hippobabe05 (9:01:48 PM): i suppose
Hippobabe05 (9:01:49 PM): in a way
Blue00009 (9:02:02 PM): of course it doesn't mean they're
taking control. i agree, people shoudl share thoughts
Hippobabe05 (9:02:43 PM): but if a person puts it in his
own mind that suicide is horrible
Hippobabe05 (9:02:51 PM): then he is obliged to keep it
from happening
Hippobabe05 (9:02:59 PM): in all scenarios regardless of
imposing himself on others
Hippobabe05 (9:03:04 PM): in an attempt to be true to
himself
Hippobabe05 (9:03:44 PM): and how is one to know how much
pain he would inflict on others by taking his own life
Blue00009 (9:04:02 PM): one is obligated to do what his
innate knowledge of proper behavior and what society has
taught thim to do what he tinks is right although the
logic behind it may be flawed.
Blue00009 (9:04:34 PM): tht person would not have more
than a rought estimate
Hippobabe05 (9:04:58 PM): well then one is obligated to
try and make certian that hislogic isnt flawed
Hippobabe05 (9:05:19 PM): rather than acting on rash
impulse, whether the logic at the time seems correct or not
Hippobabe05 (9:05:27 PM): it should have more than just a
bit of thought behind it
Blue00009 (9:05:31 PM): but if life isn't worth living,
why live it?
Hippobabe05 (9:05:44 PM): live it for others
Hippobabe05 (9:05:51 PM): i dont know jason
Hippobabe05 (9:05:56 PM): what if that view changes
Hippobabe05 (9:06:00 PM): what if, what if....
Blue00009 (9:06:00 PM): of course it should and if it were
rash, it would be easier to prevent
Hippobabe05 (9:07:00 PM): because i guess since we can
never be sure our logic is perfect
Blue00009 (9:07:41 PM): we can only assure our own
existence
Hippobabe05 (9:07:52 PM): yes and in that we might want to
just live it out
Hippobabe05 (9:08:05 PM): whether at the time life seems
worth nothing
Hippobabe05 (9:08:12 PM): or everything, just go through
with it
Hippobabe05 (9:08:16 PM): who knows what tomorrow may
bring
Blue00009 (9:08:52 PM): i repeat, if life isn't worth
living why live?
Hippobabe05 (9:09:03 PM): well if it isnt
Hippobabe05 (9:09:18 PM): then it makes sense not to
Hippobabe05 (9:09:29 PM): but jason we dont know if it is
or not ok
Hippobabe05 (9:09:52 PM): there has to be soemthing that
we care about
Hippobabe05 (9:09:55 PM): i would hope
Hippobabe05 (9:10:03 PM): something that holds us back
that makes us think twiice
Hippobabe05 (9:10:05 PM): *twice
Hippobabe05 (9:10:21 PM): and that may be something worth
living for or at least waiting out for
Blue00009 (9:11:09 PM): people do it because they are
iserable and they don't know why they go on ie they have
nothing that they care about enough to live and are tired
of hooping without return.
Hippobabe05 (9:11:45 PM): i guess
Hippobabe05 (9:11:49 PM): what if someone did it
Hippobabe05 (9:11:52 PM): out of curiosity
Hippobabe05 (9:12:04 PM): as stupid as that sounds
Blue00009 (9:12:09 PM): it's their life
Hippobabe05 (9:12:12 PM): jason, youre not thinking about
suicide, are you?
Blue00009 (9:12:20 PM): they can do what they want to with
it
Hippobabe05 (9:12:28 PM): but
Hippobabe05 (9:12:31 PM): someone has to care enough to
Hippobabe05 (9:12:34 PM): try and influence them
Hippobabe05 (9:12:40 PM): *him
Blue00009 (9:14:05 PM): but still ht's that person's own
life. have you heard of the giver. people take away all
freedom and color and every aspect of life is out of your
control becaues people wanted to keep people from making
stupid decisions. we can't protect people from their own
decisions without being in wrongful control of them
Hippobabe05 (9:14:26 PM): yes i have read the giver a few
times
Hippobabe05 (9:14:31 PM): but people were in ignorance
Hippobabe05 (9:14:37 PM): they had happy lives or
something like it
Hippobabe05 (9:14:52 PM): does the end justify the means?
Blue00009 (9:14:57 PM): no
Hippobabe05 (9:15:13 PM): and the giver, and jonas, the
burdens placed upon them
Hippobabe05 (9:15:32 PM): also came with light and happy
things
Blue00009 (9:15:48 PM): but does killing oneself qualify
as a wrongful mean?
Blue00009 (9:15:57 PM): i mean it is that person's life
Blue00009 (9:15:58 PM): ok
Blue00009 (9:16:01 PM): we have that
Hippobabe05 (9:16:01 PM): i dont know
Hippobabe05 (9:16:12 PM): in todays society
Blue00009 (9:16:15 PM): and control of that person't life
belongs to that person
Hippobabe05 (9:16:21 PM): i believe that most people
recoil at the thought of one killing himself
Hippobabe05 (9:16:48 PM): but just because society doesnt
believe its right doesnt mean that it couldnt beright
Blue00009 (9:17:13 PM): and the people who may ro may not
be affected by it have no right to interfer with taht
person ending their trauma.
Hippobabe05 (9:17:34 PM): well but
Hippobabe05 (9:17:44 PM): what if i was someone affected
by the numbers of suicides in the world
Hippobabe05 (9:17:50 PM): wishing to decrease them
Hippobabe05 (9:18:00 PM): it must affect them in some way
Hippobabe05 (9:18:04 PM): if they wish to interfere
Hippobabe05 (9:18:41 PM): it has to affect them to a
certian degree
Hippobabe05 (9:18:45 PM): no matter how indirectly
Blue00009 (9:18:46 PM): well, if you were to speak out in
a way that would influence ppl otherwise, it might have
some effect, but only in the minor sceme of things
Hippobabe05 (9:18:57 PM): yes but
Hippobabe05 (9:19:00 PM): minor affects major
Hippobabe05 (9:20:11 PM): and all actions trigger other
actions
Hippobabe05 (9:20:20 PM): which affect others so on and so
forth
Blue00009 (9:20:23 PM): but if we are nothings waiting to
be nothig than what does it really matter. we accept wrong
and murder. i killed him because he looked at me funny.
because he made me mad. it was self defense. it was war.
all excuses all still wrong but we have to accept them to
have a society and therefore we all do wrong
Blue00009 (9:20:34 PM): jesus never supposedly defended
himself
Blue00009 (9:20:48 PM): everything is wrong
Blue00009 (9:20:51 PM): there is no jsutice
Hippobabe05 (9:21:00 PM): well
Blue00009 (9:21:06 PM): it's all a bunch of crap and it
has no meaning
Hippobabe05 (9:21:12 PM): each man could have a different
justice jason
Hippobabe05 (9:21:18 PM): your justice may not be my
justice
Hippobabe05 (9:21:28 PM): and so the laws we abide by are
a compromise
Hippobabe05 (9:21:29 PM): i guess
Blue00009 (9:21:37 PM): justice
Blue00009 (9:21:42 PM): nothing is just
Blue00009 (9:21:48 PM): it can't be
Blue00009 (9:21:51 PM): impossible
Hippobabe05 (9:22:09 PM): but why is that?
Blue00009 (9:22:09 PM): the point
Hippobabe05 (9:22:14 PM): why cant we have it
Hippobabe05 (9:22:23 PM): why not dare to dream of it
Hippobabe05 (9:22:28 PM): why not strive for an ounce of it
Hippobabe05 (9:22:37 PM): rather than take your own life
Hippobabe05 (9:22:49 PM): jason you know how much stuff in
our life
Hippobabe05 (9:22:52 PM): could be considered crap
Hippobabe05 (9:23:05 PM): but its confusing crap
Blue00009 (9:23:19 PM): if we can condone murder for any
number of excuses, we can justify scuicide easier than any
of them as the individual's life is not worth living
Hippobabe05 (9:23:38 PM): we can justify
Hippobabe05 (9:23:45 PM): but right and wrong
Blue00009 (9:23:45 PM): justice is not achievable because
the world is not perfect and will not be achievable until
the world is perfect
Hippobabe05 (9:24:00 PM): just because we condone it
doesnt make it right
Blue00009 (9:24:07 PM): justify is a big fat excuse
because we can't do right if we expect to survive in the
real world
Hippobabe05 (9:24:09 PM): just acceptable to some i guess
Blue00009 (9:24:14 PM): nobody does right
Hippobabe05 (9:24:24 PM): but
Blue00009 (9:24:26 PM): wrong can be socially acceptable
and is still wrong
Hippobabe05 (9:24:28 PM): what if they tried jason
Hippobabe05 (9:24:34 PM): i know
Hippobabe05 (9:24:38 PM): my mind goes to abortion
Hippobabe05 (9:24:44 PM): but what if we tried jason
Blue00009 (9:24:44 PM): but it si socially acceptable,
then it is because we have to accept it
Hippobabe05 (9:24:50 PM): well by accepting it
Hippobabe05 (9:24:52 PM): we make a statement
Hippobabe05 (9:24:54 PM): that it is okay
Blue00009 (9:25:04 PM): if they tried thy would fail as
they do not know everything, no one is god, there is no god
Hippobabe05 (9:25:12 PM): and if it is not, should we not
strive for its disallowment
Blue00009 (9:25:20 PM): we should
Hippobabe05 (9:25:28 PM): jason are those facts to you?
Hippobabe05 (9:25:31 PM): but trying is something
Blue00009 (9:25:34 PM): i'm getting a soda
Hippobabe05 (9:25:35 PM): trying is a starting point
Hippobabe05 (9:25:36 PM): trying is hope
Hippobabe05 (9:25:38 PM): say when youre back